第三針打定唔打 疫苗類型點樣揀 - 02/09/21 「技安的未來世界」長版本

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「技安的未來世界」

主持:Bonnie、劉細良

題目:《第三針打定唔打 疫苗類型點樣揀》

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  • 打咗2針仲有選擇? 細胞已經被破壞 晤可以修復 只剩五年或更短的命 仲扮專家 信用快破產

  • 唔打

  • 忍唔住要講幾句:想問女主持其實有冇醫學知識訓練的背景?還是吸收了網上資料就在公開平台表達醫學治療方法? 勉強聽咗45min真係頂唔順,將傳統疫苗牛痘與現在「新科技研發的疫苗」混為一談,令人咋舌。 女主持表達溝針「百搭燒味飯」理論好恐怖:叫咗叉燒,大家信自己,選擇燒鵝、燒鴨、燒肉、油雞、白切雞、海蜇燻蹄都係一樣云云。其實溝針概念已經好恐怖,竟然仲可以話唔信醫學判斷而係信自己。我想問吓,如果有六隻疫苗,第三針自由選擇,簡短的乘數計算,疫苗組合數目係幾多? 另外,一隻新開發的疫苗技術,在完全未成熟之下「第一次」在人體接種,而且還要這樣大規模!而打完兩針才發現抗體水平不足要打第三針,咁到底數據點樣得來?就係因為過去九個月人類已經代替了白老鼠完成「人體測試」,想問一問,係咪打完第三針抗體水平就可以維持?可以肯定係:唔知!因為就係等人類大規模接種第三針先有數據,如果到時抗體水平唔夠,係咪打第四針、第五針、第六針?咁又想問吓,到時係咪有討論點樣溝針? 兩位竟無視疫苗是否安全這個簡單而原則性問題,然後將荒謬的科研程序合理化,還發放一個「第三針不可避免」訊息,令人驚訝。

    • 打兩針只有五年命或更短

  • 反而以前對政府有信心!而家⋯⋯?

  • Thx 🙏 Sai Leung & Bonnie

  • 流感疫苗保護率低,係因為世衛慣性估錯流行的strings of virus

  • The USA is talking about the third dose. These vaccines has the effect of lowering the body's natural immune system.

  • 細良要保重身體,多休息。多謝🙏🏻

  • 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • Excellent thank you

  • 細良有少少講錯, BC 省係無分女人打 Moderna , 男人打輝瑞, 係視乎病人去到接種中心時有乜就打乜, 如果第一針係打輝瑞而第二針又有輝瑞的話就可以打輝瑞, 冇輝瑞就可以打 Moderna. 當然你可以取消打針等下一次. 早期輝瑞貨源充足時, 無論男女多數都打輝瑞, 後期就係打 moderna 多!

  • Thank you Bonnie Keep it up

  • GSM and CDMA

  • 支持!加油!!

  • 我住在Saskatchewan 也是可以揀任何一隻疫苗打!細良的資訊應該有誤!

    • @Lar M I hope so, I voted blue at least.

    • SK must be all blue in this coming election. Trudeau must go !

  • 叧外政府衞生官員亦說明若打針後沒甚麼反應,並不代表疫苗沒有效用,不要擔心,反應只是因人而異

  • 我住在多倫多,這裏沒有分女性一定是打Moderna ,不能打Biotech .我們只在缺Biotech時,政府鼓勵我們打其他疫苗

  • 點解大藥行只強調做疫苗,冇全力做解藥,唔覺得奇嗎?一針又一針,冇人知覺會有什麼後遺症。

  • 以色列個抗疫主管話叫人準備好打第4針仲要之後每幾個月打一針 全民吸毒

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  • 一針都唔打,已證實打4哥無用只有害,打復必泰都追唔到變種,其實香港唔爆是香港人經歷過沙士自我保護意識高和唔相信政府!

  • 點解patreon同kurious冇呢段片嘅?

    • @Bonnie Cheung o(╥﹏╥)o

    • On Kurious, click into the Yolo 街 channel (see the top of home page). You can click follow so you are notified when next episode drops.

  • Who dislikes the video are those anti vaccine people

    • May not be. I think more to do with how the vaccination is implemented.

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  • 今集獲益良多,多謝2位🙏🏾

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  • 講咗一大堆廢話

  • Good news s

  • mRNA 唔係帶住隻病毒 係住隻病毒嘅主要 signature

    • @N Young The lipid wrapping is the "truck". It is the first time we did not use a living organism as carrier. (Adenovirus still uses an engineered/modified virus as carrier of the COVID Spike DNA). In the future, the idea is if we can have factories that only manufacture these "trucks"/ lipid wrappings, then we maybe able to have small factories in every part of the world. And any time a new pandemic hits, the virus' signature mRNA is inserted into these "trucks"/ carriers to make vaccines.

    • @Bonnie Cheung but I don’t understand your analogy of using a truck to carry the mRNA. I thought they were wrapped in nano lipids. Enlighten me please.

    • Correct - it carries the instruction set (mRNA) that will get our cells to producte the Spike Protein. So in the future, we only need to insert different mRNA to produce the variant Spike protein.

  • 相信Boonie並不是真正做過coding的人,電腦modular 的概念,可以真正將一個繁雜又工藝要求高的工序,拆細變成多個「標準」化又相對簡單的工序,從而可以引入流水作業,但正如生產線的整合仍需要高技術又繁複細緻工作,debug的工作,往往只是去到出現問題概率低的情況。 但應用在人體的問題,更大的困難在人類對人體系統運作的知識仍然是有限的。

    • You got me :) The last time I wrote a piece of code was over 5 years ago. Thanks for pointing out as I didn't realize there's a confusion. Modularization in the computer industry refers to the standardization of the different parts of computers (e.g. RAM, Storage, CPU/GPU/ASIC, compilers) so that a coder can write code without having to worry about having to build their own hardware from scratch(of course, you can buy different standard pieces on the market to build to your desired specifications). Put into the biology realm, if the vessel (the carrier) can be standardized, than each time scientists want to "write a new piece of code" (e.g. put a new type of of mRNA, DNA into our body), they don't need to re-develop the vessel/ carrier. The hypothesis is if this happens, innovation in the vaccine, treatment world will go through hyper growth just like the computing did in the last 20 years.

  • 話說,Bonnie上次在YOLO節目中找我,但我在twitter@也沒反應呢 08:06 其實除了中國,印度,俄國都有研究滅活疫苗,只是在大批使用前已經有更有效的其他疫苗研發成功 08:31 即使開盡綠燈,現在絕大部份疫苗都仍然未算「完成」 08:43 滅活疫苗通常是加熱/化學/幅射破壞後的原病毒 15:20 天花病毒在自然界有毒性低這麼多的自然近親例子是絕無僅有的 16:15 做成疤痕的是卡介苗,用於預防肺結核 22:11 腺病毒是載著能製造刺突蛋白的RNA,而mRNA是本身就是類似於前者的產生物 32:25 研發最早期已經考慮過這問題,比如AZ用的是黑猩猩的腺病毒,正常是沒甚麼人感染過的 33:57 BNT後來也放寬了儲藏條件,最初設-70是為了更安全 35:12 純粹是「濃度」分別,類似紅牛跟力保健那樣,兩者的標準型牛磺酸都是1000mg 37:25 因為有出現極稀有例子,打完BNT(輝瑞)出現心肌炎,而當中多數是女性 46:33 包覆mRNA的納米油滴現階段很難由小型工廠製造出來 50:36 因為滅活最易做 50:55 俄國其實除了基因疫苗,三大類疫苗(滅活/蛋白亞基/病毒載體)都有研究 55:30 是有的,且已經進入三期實驗 1:02:20 其實mRNA最大好處正正是可以快速更改針對的部份以應對變種 1:06:06 是因為病毒結構簡單,缺乏瞄點

    • Been a crazy busy few weeks. Hoping things will calm down in my work next week and will find time to reach out :)

  • 有研究發現打完兩劑科興後,再打BioNtech, 免疫反應反而不給再打第三針科興

  • 有研究發現打完一劑viral vector vaccine( 例如牛津阿斯利康疫苗)之後, 之後打一劑mRNA疫苗(例如 Pfizer or Moderna), 所產生的免疫反應,比起只打兩劑mRNA疫苗或兩劑 viral vector vaccines 更好

    • 抗體: 兩針Pfizer最高 , 第二係astra Zeneca 先,後Pfizer 第三係 Pfizer然後astra zeneca 最後係兩支az

  • 要知最先出現的mRNA和腺病毒載體疫苖都是針對「棘蛋白」,似乎應該搞清楚他們針對「棘蛋白」的哪一部分。「溝針」有更好結果,應該是讓身體更全面「識清楚」病毒的本尊--就算本尊如何變異,仍有較強的功效。

    • Both mRNA和腺病毒載體疫苖carries the instruction (one is mRNA, one is DNA) for getting our own cells to create the「棘蛋白」so that our immune system can be triggered like a practice round. The question would be whether 1) there's a difference in effectiveness of the 2 different carriers/ vessels, 2) there's a difference between the mRNA and DNA replication effect.

  • 反對強制疫苗政策!反對推行green pass!my body my choose 💪

    • 全球都有反苖大遊行大抗爭,無聽都知道這個台必定不會講

    • Agree, my body my choice! :) But then also respect others' bodies by following appropriate protections such as wearing masks. It's a free world as long as don't harm others.

  • 中文名稱「天花」早出現,所以翻譯smallpox時只是找回對應的中文名稱;不同cowpox是中文內原本未有名稱,這裏就意譯。

  • I think the best method is waiting, see the what happen , make decision on final.

  • But I got Pfizer in BC and I am female

    • BC has Moderna as well. My wife's best friend as Moderna but she reacted quite a bit on the second dose which is Moderna.

  • 武漢肺炎印度變種的問題,不是死亡率,而是傳播率。傳播率高,反而令死亡人數更大。

    • Not always the case. The natural immune system in most people can contained the variant during the quarantine period.Deaths usually happened to weak and unhealthy people with very low immune system.

  • BioNtech 及 Moderna mRNA 疫苗十分有效。AstraZeneca 及 Janssen adenoviral vector 較差,但如果能引發免疫力,也十分有效。至於国産科興及国藥.....算把啦!

    • 可以聽 M觀點最近星期三那一集,台灣時事評論員,他本科是化學系建中台大,美國留學回台,BNT 跟 AZ 差別不大,最好是BNT,az混合針,咪打死一隻

  • cant can't find this clip in KURIOUS. For the purpose of encouragement, be there first.

    • @Margaret Chow We want to encourage the community to help us test out Kurious. So thinking of different ways to motivate :) .

    • @Bonnie Cheung isnt this program no longer posted on Patreon?

    • It's under the Yolo channel in Kurious. When you are in Kurious, at the top, you will see Yolos icon. Singjai's goal is Kurious can have more variety of knowledge sharing by different people.

  • 請大家支持「香港人音樂」這個不盈利良心頻道 他們用音樂唱出香港問題 諷刺不公義的事

  • bonnie 把聲成日都令我聯想起777個樣

    • @Bonnie Cheung haha, no matter whom u sound like, i m a fans of u U r reli informative and i learnt a lot

    • @Bonnie Cheung 😂😂😂 i don’t find you sound like her!

    • LoL...that's a pretty scary thought

  • 唔打自由何、打咗死鳩咗、,、点算、??

  • FYI: Women in B.C. got Pfizer as well, not just Moderna.

    • I have two doses in B.C. Both are Pfizer. There are also Moderna in BC as well. My wife's best friend reacted to the second dose (Moderna).

  • 多謝細良和Bonnie的分析,絕對資訊性👍

  • SARS came from civet not pangolin I’m very excited about mRNA. Hope the day they use mRNA to treat cancer is near.

  • Can you post the site icon to identify the link

  • 支持常識理論,我唔敢亂打針,唔知啱定唔啱,覺得用自己抵抗力,小心啲⋯⋯因為打咗嗰針係咪即係冇病,冇人知。

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  • Support !

  • like Bonnie

  • 👍唔該,請比LIKES👍👍👍👍👍謝謝! 👍LIKED片👍LIKED留言👍齊齊互動吓,謝謝!

  • 主要是香港老人大部份均是長期病患,害怕不良反應

    • 其實根據數據統計老人家嘅不良反應反而比年輕人低

  • 香港冇第三次疫苗接種計劃的打算,我聞到危機⚠逐漸迫近.翠翠咁愛國,香港人可以打外國疫苗就是爱國修正主義,千祈唔好笑中國人只能打國産疫苗,我地隨時冇得打BNT.

    • 打乜嘢針都唔撚應該打啦

  • Thanks info sharing